Incentive Plans Take Aim at Vulnerable Toyota with Mixed Reviews
By Michelle Krebs February 1, 2010Smelling "blood in the water" as NBC Today's show host Matt Lauer noted in a Monday morning interview with Toyota's top executive, Toyota's competitors have launched a host of incentives aimed at luring into their folds once-loyal, but now-shaken Toyota owners and shoppers who are concerned about Toyota's latest recalls, stop-sales and halt of production of its eight best-selling models. Toyota announced a fix to the problem on Monday.
Sales results posted by all automakers in the U.S. Tuesday will reveal if these shark-like maneuvers are working. Meantime, the promotions themselves have been earnings mixed reviews by visitors to Edmunds.com's sites.
General Motors was first to pounce. As explained to Edmunds' Inside Line last Wednesday, GM's new offer -- including zero-percent financing or $1,000 cash for anyone who can show proof they own or lease a Toyota -- is simply a response "to what consumers are telling our dealers" and is "aimed at bringing people back to the GM family." Sounds innocent enough. But Inside Line readers as well as members of Edmunds' CarSpace Forums have been quick to question the move.
"I hope to hell Toyota gets its act together, comes back with an absolute vengeance and stuffs these goons into the ground once and for all," responds one reader, who also notes for the record that "I am not a Toyota fan nor have I ever owned or desired to own their product."
Others describe the plan as "pathetic," "shady" and "desperate," saying it projects the notion that "the only way for (GM) to go up is when somebody else messed up" and in turn undermines GM's current "May the Best Car Win" marketing theme.
While GM supporters counter that "Toyota and others have been taking advantage of the Big Three's misfortunes for decades" and also point out that "Volvo did the same thing end of last month -- extended their owner loyalty rebate to cover SAAB owners, too," the majority of posts seem to agree that "G.M. has gone over to the dark side" with this offer.
Morality aside, a few question the basic financial wisdom of a program designed to "take in vehicles that are unsellable." But others point out that "dealers are going to be waiting for suckers... desperate to give up their Toyotas," buying them for cheap and then later "fixing them per the recall on Toyota's nickel."
Indeed, the cheap trade-in theory is backed up by another member who reports walking away from a dealer after being offered $1500 below the Edmunds' True Market Value price for his Toyota Yaris. "I sure hope my trade-in value will go up when Toyota fixes this," he says.
Some doubt whether G.M. will even see much of the disgruntled Toyota crowd, wondering, "with so many other brands to choose from... why would G.M. be the first on the list?" They conclude that instead "the winners would probably be Honda, Hyundai and Ford (not necessarily in that order)" and predict that Subaru and Kia are also more likely to see bumps in sales.
"All this does is make GM mangers look a slimy as their dealers," suggests one member. Another sums up, "This whole fiasco reminds me when a lion (Toyota) leaves an antelope carcass (the buyers) and all the vultures (other car makes) feast on the sloppy seconds."
As unpleasant as that image is, it doesn't appear to be dissuading other automakers from joining in. Since GM launched the plan on Wednesday, both Ford and Hyundai have announced similar incentives.
And that's the word on the street. -- Mark Holthoff, Edmunds.com manager, customer support
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Click here to comment on this entry.LOL, Ha, ha ha, "Vulnerable Toyota", To GM Ford and all the other losers, Toyota is the best at making vehicles, and you better stop messing around and go figure out how to make your product average.
GM's problem is the long term quality of their cars and the lousy dealer service. All the sales gimmicks in the world can't fix that.
mzohar - you stalk a load of crap. When did Toyota make a crar or truck that won any awards?? Umm not recently. The corolla is distinctly average, the camry is distinctly average and the list goes on. Many makes inclusing Subaru, Honda, Mazda, Ford, GM, VW and Hyundaia make better looking and better driving mass market cars. Compare Corolla with new Focus, Yaris with new Fiesta, Camry with Fusion, Legacy, Malibu. Toyota loses every comparison and sells on reliability only. Don`t believe me? Then listen to what the new CEO of Toyota says "we need to make interesting cars again" i.e. admitting they currently do not make interesting cars.
mzohor - you talk crap. Many comapnies make better cars than Toyota, when did Toyota last win any awards for their cars?
The Fiesta beats the Yaris, the new Focus beats the Corolla, the Fusion, Legacy, Mazda 6, Malibu beat the Camry.
The Corolla and Camry are distinctly average so how can you maon about other car companies.
VW, Subaru, Ford, GM, Hyundai, Honda all make better more interesting cars.
Imagine trading in a high-quality Toyota car for a GM incentived, cut-throat-predatory marketing gimmick vehicle and loosing about 16% depreciation as you drive your GM off the show room floor when you could have just fixed the problem "ForFree".
Give me a break, GM. Your products have a LOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNGGGGG way to go before they even come close to Toyota. Want me to remind you of the multi-million car recalls in your past??? No?? Well here's one anyway!
General Motors recalled 6.7 million cars and trucks in 1971 because of an engine mount that sometimes separated, allowing the engine to lift and push down on the throttle, causing the vehicle to take off like a rocket. Models affected were Belair, Brookwood, Camaro, Caprice, Chevrolet, Chevy II, G Series, Impala, Kingswood, Nova, P Series, C Series and Townsmen.
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guy1974, I do not have to read any report or listen to any CEO, because I relay on my own experience.
Here is my story:
I was ready to buy a new car in 1996 because my Plymuth Horizen died after 10 years of service. I went to Chevrolet and to Toyota, and looked at Corolla and a Cavalier. The Chevrolet dealer had only the bright hidious blue, so I bought the Corolla. I AM STILL DRIVING IT, AND IT IS LIKE THE DAY I BOUGHT IT. On the other hand, I do not see any Cavalier on the roads, do you see any???? No, because they all dead. Now do you see my point?
so mzohar, you're basing your opinions on your experience in 1996? Although you practice advanced thinking compared to circlew who's living in 1971 (PS take a close look at a 1971 Toyota Corolla)
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